I think believing in a religion makes people stupid
by reflex - Friday October 18, 2024 at 07:44 AM
#1
Let me say from the start, I'm not insulting anyone's religion or beliefs, nor am I belittling them. Of course, all people are free to believe in any religion they choose, or they don't have to believe in any religion at all

What you are about to read is entirely based on my personal observations and thoughts. I know people who are Muslim, Christian, atheist, and deist, though none of them are Jewish. Anyway, when I look at Muslims, they are completely ignorant and uneducated, even though the first commandment of their religion is to seek knowledge, and yet all Muslims do the exact opposite. The first commandment of Christianity is to love others. Well, some Christians do this very well, but a large portion fails in this regard. The first commandment of Judaism is to preserve life, and yet no Jew seems to follow this. It’s strange that followers of the three main religions do not follow the first commandments of their own faiths.

But this isn’t the main point I want to discuss. In my opinion, being a member of any religion makes a person foolish. Let me explain with examples. A child of a Muslim family was having a seizure, and the family kept repeating 'Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim' (In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful), asking their god for help. And of course, God did nothing. When I told them to put the child in a cold water bath and call an ambulance, otherwise the seizure wouldn’t stop, they told me, 'Allah is enough for us, Allah will save him.' But it wasn’t Allah who saved the child; it was the ambulance that arrived in time.
In another case, when I was talking to a Christian friend, I asked why women couldn’t become popes. He answered, 'Because women are weak and were created to serve men.' I asked, 'Didn’t God create men and women as equals?' He replied, 'God made men superior and created women to serve men.' I then asked, 'So does that mean women’s desires and wishes have no value?' He replied, 'They do, but only if her husband or father approves.' I said, 'But isn’t that sinful?' He responded, 'It’s no problem; God is forgiving and will forgive our sins.' I then said, 'So, you’ll commit every sin and every crime, and God will forgive you just because you’re Christian, right?' When he said yes, I suggested we change the topic.
I don’t personally know any Jews, but from what I’ve researched, Jews see themselves as the superior race and view all other people in the world as their slaves and animals, thinking the world should serve them. How ridiculous.
In my view, religions make people stupid and barbaric because they implant a sense of superiority and the illusion that they are under the protection of a god, convincing them that all the knowledge they need is in holy books and dismissing any knowledge not written in those books as nonsense. This is why I believe that following a religion makes a person foolish.
At the beginning of this writing, I mentioned that I have deist and atheist friends as well, and they all seem like normal people. I don’t base my opinion on just one or two examples; it’s entirely based on my observations and experiences. So, what do you think?

As I mentioned at the beginning, I am not insulting anyone’s religion or beliefs, so please don’t misunderstand
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The mere act of believing in a higher power does not, to me, suggest that someone is less intelligent. In fact, from a game theory perspective, having some form of belief in a higher power could be seen as rational or even optimal, as it provides psychological and social benefits. This belief doesn’t necessarily need to align with organized religion or specific dogmas. To me, religion—or belief in a higher power—can represent hope, purpose, and a connection to something greater than oneself.

During challenging times, religious belief can offer a sense of comfort, helping people accept circumstances beyond their control and providing them with a reason to keep going. It serves as a psychological anchor, instilling resilience and allowing individuals to endure hardship with the belief that there is a greater purpose or plan. In contrast, individuals who lack any form of spiritual or existential belief might find it harder to cope when the things they value, such as career, relationships, or material possessions, are lost. Without a broader framework for meaning, these individuals may struggle to find purpose, especially when life’s external markers of success are stripped away.

Historically, religion has played a critical role in helping humanity endure hardship, offering not only explanations for the unexplainable but also fostering community support. For many centuries, people turned to religion to find meaning in suffering, whether through a belief in divine justice, an afterlife, or the redemptive power of suffering itself. However, in today’s modern world—especially in the more affluent parts of the West—many people live in relative comfort. As a result, the traditional need for religion as a tool to explain suffering or provide purpose has diminished. Yet, despite this increased comfort, many people still experience a lack of meaning or purpose in their lives, as evidenced by rising levels of anxiety, depression, and existential crises. This, to me, signals that something essential is missing—a void that material comfort alone cannot fill.

Religion is not necessarily the only way to address this existential void, but it’s important to recognize that for many people, religious belief offers a meaningful way to structure their lives and find fulfillment. Where I think problems arise with religion is when people abandon the personal, introspective journey of seeking meaning and instead turn to rigid institutions that dictate beliefs and behaviors. Organized religions, while capable of building strong communities, often foster divisions within society. These institutions can create ideological factions that clash with one another, contributing to societal polarization. Additionally, some religious entities may exploit the devotion of their followers, extracting resources or exerting control, which can lead to corruption and abuse of power.

In my view, a healthier approach to belief in a higher power is one where the individual embarks on a personal journey of exploration, rather than relying on an institution to provide all the answers. Approaching this with an open mind—perhaps even with a sense of agnosticism—allows for personal growth and introspection. Such a journey can provide a greater understanding of oneself, and potentially a deeper connection to something beyond oneself, whether that is a higher power, the universe, or simply a broader sense of purpose.
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(10-18-2024, 07:54 AM)duolipo Wrote: The mere act of believing in a higher power does not, to me, suggest that someone is less intelligent. In fact, from a game theory perspective, having some form of belief in a higher power could be seen as rational or even optimal, as it provides psychological and social benefits. This belief doesn’t necessarily need to align with organized religion or specific dogmas. To me, religion—or belief in a higher power—can represent hope, purpose, and a connection to something greater than oneself.

During challenging times, religious belief can offer a sense of comfort, helping people accept circumstances beyond their control and providing them with a reason to keep going. It serves as a psychological anchor, instilling resilience and allowing individuals to endure hardship with the belief that there is a greater purpose or plan. In contrast, individuals who lack any form of spiritual or existential belief might find it harder to cope when the things they value, such as career, relationships, or material possessions, are lost. Without a broader framework for meaning, these individuals may struggle to find purpose, especially when life’s external markers of success are stripped away.

Historically, religion has played a critical role in helping humanity endure hardship, offering not only explanations for the unexplainable but also fostering community support. For many centuries, people turned to religion to find meaning in suffering, whether through a belief in divine justice, an afterlife, or the redemptive power of suffering itself. However, in today’s modern world—especially in the more affluent parts of the West—many people live in relative comfort. As a result, the traditional need for religion as a tool to explain suffering or provide purpose has diminished. Yet, despite this increased comfort, many people still experience a lack of meaning or purpose in their lives, as evidenced by rising levels of anxiety, depression, and existential crises. This, to me, signals that something essential is missing—a void that material comfort alone cannot fill.

Religion is not necessarily the only way to address this existential void, but it’s important to recognize that for many people, religious belief offers a meaningful way to structure their lives and find fulfillment. Where I think problems arise with religion is when people abandon the personal, introspective journey of seeking meaning and instead turn to rigid institutions that dictate beliefs and behaviors. Organized religions, while capable of building strong communities, often foster divisions within society. These institutions can create ideological factions that clash with one another, contributing to societal polarization. Additionally, some religious entities may exploit the devotion of their followers, extracting resources or exerting control, which can lead to corruption and abuse of power.

In my view, a healthier approach to belief in a higher power is one where the individual embarks on a personal journey of exploration, rather than relying on an institution to provide all the answers. Approaching this with an open mind—perhaps even with a sense of agnosticism—allows for personal growth and introspection. Such a journey can provide a greater understanding of oneself, and potentially a deeper connection to something beyond oneself, whether that is a higher power, the universe, or simply a broader sense of purpose.

Carl Marx says (Life is so full of suffering that without religions, no one could endure it). Imagine a surgery: to prevent the patient from feeling pain, doctors administer anesthesia, allowing the patient to get through the painful procedure without suffering. According to Karl Marx, religions serve this function, creating an atmosphere of acceptance and resignation, leading people to stop trying. However, I disagree with this view and think you're wrong. Let me explain with an example. You said (In tough times, religious belief can provide a sense of comfort, help people accept circumstances beyond their control, and give them a reason to keep going). If that's the case, should we just sit back, accept our hard times, and leave everything to God? We’d disappear!

Here's another example: if the people who discovered the COVID-19 vaccine had accepted the difficult situation and left it up to God, COVID would still be around today. The first religion in history emerged in ancient Egypt, and the reason it came about was to prevent slaves from rebelling against their rulers. They were told that if they were good people in this life, they would have a new and better life after death, and all the slaves believed it. But when uprisings started to happen, the religious leaders introduced the concept of God, claiming the ruler had divine power and was a god himself. See, even the first religion in history fed on ignorance and lack of knowledge.
To support my argument, let me give you another historical example: the Renaissance led by Martin Luther. With the spread of the printing press in Europe, people gained access to more books and therefore more knowledge, exposing the lies of the Church. Before the Renaissance, priests were selling plots in heaven to the poor in exchange for money, claiming that rebelling against the king was a great sin and spreading nonsense like the Earth being flat. One day, a man named Martin Luther went to the priests and asked to buy the key and deed to hell, and the priests sold it to him. Martin Luther then addressed the people in the town square, saying, (Here I have the key and deed to hell. I won’t let any of you in, so you don’t need to buy plots in heaven anymore).
See how clever that move was? This act started the Renaissance. From this, we can infer that relying on a god instead of researching for oneself is foolish, and this is exactly what religions do
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I agree with this. Though people are very much entitled to their proclivities, but when it comes to arguments or debate, it is utterly pointless to argue facts with someone who's whole life is devoted to something that is anything but fact. Their convictions are beliefs, & not evidence.

& with the state of religious leaders etc, covering up their crimes etc, Religion is no litmus test on morality either.

Why would Catholics still keep confession, unless they knew beforehand that they're going to do wrong on the world, it's just a safety net for their feckless souls
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#5
I like your post and you didn't insult my beliefs. I relate to your conclusions about various religions. At the very young age I started asking my pastor about religion. I didn't understand why I need to pray, I was a rebel, I was like Pi in the "Life of Pi". I am getting closer to my expiration date and religion became very important to me, I find myself in peace when I pray. I do not want to convience anyone to my religion, I am glad I was exposed to Judaism, Islam, Christianity and Buddhism. I might be like a slave in ancient Egypt, a fool who believes in fairy tales, on the other hand these stories help me with my mental state. Each of us should have enough information to make right decision about religion.
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(10-18-2024, 12:05 PM)DredgenSun Wrote: I agree with this. Though people are very much entitled to their proclivities, but when it comes to arguments or debate, it is utterly pointless to argue facts with someone who's whole life is devoted to something that is anything but fact. Their convictions are beliefs, & not evidence.

& with the state of religious leaders etc, covering up their crimes etc, Religion is no litmus test on morality either.

Why would Catholics still keep confession, unless they knew beforehand that they're going to do wrong on the world, it's just a safety net for their feckless souls

Beliefs are beliefs, not evidence, my friend. Wow, that's an amazing quote!
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(10-18-2024, 07:44 AM)reflex Wrote: Let me say from the start, I'm not insulting anyone's religion or beliefs, nor am I belittling them. Of course, all people are free to believe in any religion they choose, or they don't have to believe in any religion at all

What you are about to read is entirely based on my personal observations and thoughts. I know people who are Muslim, Christian, atheist, and deist, though none of them are Jewish. Anyway, when I look at Muslims, they are completely ignorant and uneducated, even though the first commandment of their religion is to seek knowledge, and yet all Muslims do the exact opposite. The first commandment of Christianity is to love others. Well, some Christians do this very well, but a large portion fails in this regard. The first commandment of Judaism is to preserve life, and yet no Jew seems to follow this. It’s strange that followers of the three main religions do not follow the first commandments of their own faiths.

But this isn’t the main point I want to discuss. In my opinion, being a member of any religion makes a person foolish. Let me explain with examples. A child of a Muslim family was having a seizure, and the family kept repeating 'Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim' (In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful), asking their god for help. And of course, God did nothing. When I told them to put the child in a cold water bath and call an ambulance, otherwise the seizure wouldn’t stop, they told me, 'Allah is enough for us, Allah will save him.' But it wasn’t Allah who saved the child; it was the ambulance that arrived in time.
In another case, when I was talking to a Christian friend, I asked why women couldn’t become popes. He answered, 'Because women are weak and were created to serve men.' I asked, 'Didn’t God create men and women as equals?' He replied, 'God made men superior and created women to serve men.' I then asked, 'So does that mean women’s desires and wishes have no value?' He replied, 'They do, but only if her husband or father approves.' I said, 'But isn’t that sinful?' He responded, 'It’s no problem; God is forgiving and will forgive our sins.' I then said, 'So, you’ll commit every sin and every crime, and God will forgive you just because you’re Christian, right?' When he said yes, I suggested we change the topic.
I don’t personally know any Jews, but from what I’ve researched, Jews see themselves as the superior race and view all other people in the world as their slaves and animals, thinking the world should serve them. How ridiculous.
In my view, religions make people stupid and barbaric because they implant a sense of superiority and the illusion that they are under the protection of a god, convincing them that all the knowledge they need is in holy books and dismissing any knowledge not written in those books as nonsense. This is why I believe that following a religion makes a person foolish.
At the beginning of this writing, I mentioned that I have deist and atheist friends as well, and they all seem like normal people. I don’t base my opinion on just one or two examples; it’s entirely based on my observations and experiences. So, what do you think?

As I mentioned at the beginning, I am not insulting anyone’s religion or beliefs, so please don’t misunderstand

Religion has so much hypocrisy original meaning has been lost to time also bad translation and misguided self interested crooks

In the end Jewish Muslims Christians keep fighting each other saying their denomination his original
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#8
I didn't read the thread because I don't want to contaminate myself but I disagree with the thread title.

Cmon reflex you're better than this, you should give your life to God he's waiting.
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#9
I guess so, however humans are designed not to admit that.
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#10
Religion was something that help people survive together a thousands years ago. You didn't kill your neighbor because you both believed in the same shit. But now, the world has changed. Now you don't just kill your neighbor because you believe in a system of rules. I think atheist will be more and more common in the future.
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