[batoryy]

@batoryy needs to respond within 24h to confirm this.

DWC applied for suspected sales trashing after getting a refund.

Hi, I’d like to explain the situation regarding the suspicion of “sales trashing” and the DWC tag I received — which seems to be based solely on his complaints.

First of all, the comments I made in his threads regarding “scamming” or “exit scamming” were made BEFORE I got refunded but also after I had already contacted him via the live chat support on his own website and got left on read when I asked for a refund and then when I asked him to respond in scam reports. (He responded AFTER he got banned).

So tell me — how else was I supposed to interpret that? If someone takes your money, delivers nothing, gives no ETA, and ignores refund requests, how is that not suspicious behavior? I wrote those things while I was still being ignored and hadn’t received any refund, simply because I didn’t want others to fall into the same situation.

Secondly, I didn’t “sales trash” him after the refund either. On my scam report on Patched, I simply responded to his own message, where he refunded me and added things like “no refund policy” and claimed he refunded me only to prove it’s not a scam. This was after 7 days of not receiving the product, getting no ETA, and being ignored. I don’t see how commenting on that is wrong — I’m not going to stay silent while he acts like he’s doing me a favor by giving back money for something he failed to deliver.



All of my comments were direct responses to his own words, and all I did was state facts and explain the situation clearly. This is what I said:



Then he blamed me for not contacting him via DM on the forum — when I used the official live chat support built into his own website, which he had already been replying to me on. That support chat is clearly meant for customer communication, so why would I randomly message him somewhere else?

Any time I quoted his own words — whether from live chat or the scam report — he refused to take responsibility. Instead, he kept saying things like “that was my manager” or “that was my team,” as if he’s running some big operation just to avoid owning up to anything himself.



Then he started insulting me — calling me “retarded” and “triggered” — just because I mentioned how shady his site is. For example, when I tried to leave a 1-star review after being ignored in live chat, it was automatically changed to 5 stars and now appears in the fake “Reviews” section on his site. That’s dishonest and misleading, and I simply pointed it out.



Gave his service a 1 star - it was changed to 5 stars immediately, and is displayed in "Reviews" section of his website. 

He never once addressed the actual points or facts I brought up — he just kept spamming the same lines over and over: “sales trashing, please ban him,” both on Patched and here. Meanwhile, everything I said was simply a reaction to him trying to spin the situation, shift the blame onto me, and pretend like I didn’t deserve a refund.

Now, in this thread, he’s making even more false claims — posting random accounts and claiming they’re mine. I have no idea who those users are. I created this account only to file a scam report after a Google search showed he advertises on this forum as well.

Finally, after receiving the refund, I asked him to simply send the transaction ID (TXID) in my report on BreachForums so the case could be marked as resolved. I didn’t want to waste even more time dealing with this person, so I told him to handle it himself — just like I had to fight for my money for 7 straight days while being ignored.

Also @Loki, feel free to review the scam report thread on Patched yourself — both what he wrote and what I wrote. It has nothing to do with sales trashing, and it doesn’t even involve this forum at all. I was simply responding to his own words and actions.

Btw. He gave me -20 reputation just because I replied to his own words — which he somehow considers “sales trashing.” I guess in his mind, once a customer gets refunded, they’re supposed to shut up, stay quiet, and even say thank you for being spat on.

[batoryy]

@Loki Btw. he also gave me a -rep on Patched as well as revenge for simply responding in my own scam report. I contacted the admins there, had it removed, and was told that if he does it again, he’ll be banned from the forum.

[OnlyHit]

@OnlyHit If you're advertising your services on the thread, it needs to be in the marketplace.

If you plan to share data, I better not find any words related to "sell" on your thread. Needless to say, remove your website from a leak section thread.

Posting a leak simply to entice sales is prohibited by forum rules and can lead to a ban.

Once you've taken care of these points, the report will be closed.

@Loki Noted and Done. I think @Badasskeedd had a thread but all of our posts were removed when this scam report was opened... anyways I will make a new thread in marketplace.
all my threads were edited and removed  word "sell" and the site name from all of them too.
I cant edit the paste files once they are created. site name or word "sell" wont be on my new posts. only bot/our social TG links will be as you said in PM.

[OnlyHit]

@batoryy needs to respond within 24h to confirm this.

DWC applied for suspected sales trashing after getting a refund.

Hi, I’d like to explain the situation regarding the suspicion of “sales trashing” and the DWC tag I received — which seems to be based solely on his complaints.

First of all, the comments I made in his threads regarding “scamming” or “exit scamming” were made BEFORE I got refunded but also after I had already contacted him via the live chat support on his own website and got left on read when I asked for a refund and then when I asked him to respond in scam reports. (He responded AFTER he got banned).

So tell me — how else was I supposed to interpret that? If someone takes your money, delivers nothing, gives no ETA, and ignores refund requests, how is that not suspicious behavior? I wrote those things while I was still being ignored and hadn’t received any refund, simply because I didn’t want others to fall into the same situation.

Secondly, I didn’t “sales trash” him after the refund either. On my scam report on Patched, I simply responded to his own message, where he refunded me and added things like “no refund policy” and claimed he refunded me only to prove it’s not a scam. This was after 7 days of not receiving the product, getting no ETA, and being ignored. I don’t see how commenting on that is wrong — I’m not going to stay silent while he acts like he’s doing me a favor by giving back money for something he failed to deliver.



All of my comments were direct responses to his own words, and all I did was state facts and explain the situation clearly. This is what I said:



Then he blamed me for not contacting him via DM on the forum — when I used the official live chat support built into his own website, which he had already been replying to me on. That support chat is clearly meant for customer communication, so why would I randomly message him somewhere else?

Any time I quoted his own words — whether from live chat or the scam report — he refused to take responsibility. Instead, he kept saying things like “that was my manager” or “that was my team,” as if he’s running some big operation just to avoid owning up to anything himself.



Then he started insulting me — calling me “retarded” and “triggered” — just because I mentioned how shady his site is. For example, when I tried to leave a 1-star review after being ignored in live chat, it was automatically changed to 5 stars and now appears in the fake “Reviews” section on his site. That’s dishonest and misleading, and I simply pointed it out.



Gave his service a 1 star - it was changed to 5 stars immediately, and is displayed in "Reviews" section of his website. 

He never once addressed the actual points or facts I brought up — he just kept spamming the same lines over and over: “sales trashing, please ban him,” both on Patched and here. Meanwhile, everything I said was simply a reaction to him trying to spin the situation, shift the blame onto me, and pretend like I didn’t deserve a refund.

Now, in this thread, he’s making even more false claims — posting random accounts and claiming they’re mine. I have no idea who those users are. I created this account only to file a scam report after a Google search showed he advertises on this forum as well.

Finally, after receiving the refund, I asked him to simply send the transaction ID (TXID) in my report on BreachForums so the case could be marked as resolved. I didn’t want to waste even more time dealing with this person, so I told him to handle it himself — just like I had to fight for my money for 7 straight days while being ignored.

Also @Loki, feel free to review the scam report thread on Patched yourself — both what he wrote and what I wrote. It has nothing to do with sales trashing, and it doesn’t even involve this forum at all. I was simply responding to his own words and actions.

Btw. He gave me -20 reputation just because I replied to his own words — which he somehow considers “sales trashing.” I guess in his mind, once a customer gets refunded, they’re supposed to shut up, stay quiet, and even say thank you for being spat on.

your DWC wasnt only for my complaints, link to whole SCAM REPORT on other forum was sent to @Loki on PM to check sale trashing after refund. check again how your messages got alot longer and started sale trashing right after refund.
another DWC reason was sale trashing with fake account on BF yesterday, and the fake rep that was removed by mods
another DWC reason, why didnt you respond here after 48 hours of refund? I tagged you more than 5 times on other forum but you refused and said 
Why would I confirm anything or do you a favor after the way you treat customers?



I already posted a BTC address for the refund on that forum - you can just send them the TXID to prove it, simple as that xD
post #16 here, then @Loki told me "Urge OP to respond" I tagged you again on thread there but you still refused. you only did respond after your alt accounts sale trashing was removed here and I put a neg on all of them

answer to your "First", the sale trashing is mostly after your refund. I dont even want to get into you calling us  “exit scamming” , just cause you got US BANNED ON OTHER FFORUM!
answer to your "Secondly" the screenshot you sent here is from a post on this report here. why didnt you respond here? because you knew @Badasskeedd was banned on that forum but here he can answer to your claims! se you kept goin on other forum. we already settled this in PMs with @Loki on what @Badasskeedd meant, if the bot is down we will refund, if the bot is up there will be no refund and account will be replaced. now imagine someone calls you “scammer” or “exit scamming” and you cant even respond!!! thats how @Badasskeedd felt 
answer to your next claim, the staff support told you to wait, but couldnt you click on the TG or DISCORD links on our websites to check more or find more info? our TG links went down one after another but the new links were on the site
answer to your next claim, again this is a big team, I myself dont even have access to your live chat. we are not the same person. same as here when I talk with Tanaka and then Loki its takes time get an answer from one and report to another! if you really dont believe this, I can provide to mods proof that owners, team managers, staff supports and me are not the same person! I posted here for myself personally I answered you under 10 minute when I was online!
@Loki lets say spam accounts from yesterday werent him, and he found here by googling as he says, but how OP  knows these forums so well that he doesnt sale trash with his main on BF (because he will get banned fast here) but knows its softer on PTO and does it? he also did this on a 3rd forum SIN.ly so this guy has time for all of these reports, but on site just because staff support said wait he couldnt click on our TG DISCORD links? same with sending a message on forums? I mean when you know the accounts, why not sending a message?
similar people who lost contact with us https://imgur.com/a/FeJg9Lg and got  response
answer to your "Finally" user could waste time on pto but not here? so OP went on talking more for hours on pto but could respond here?
after some many times tagging you and telling you to respond you said:
Why would I confirm anything or do you a favor after the way you treat customers?



I already posted a BTC address for the refund on that forum - you can just send them the TXID to prove it, simple as that xD

[batoryy]

You keep repeating the same things hoping they'll magically become true, but let me clarify again — for the last time.

1. DWC "not only from your complaints"
Yeah, no shit — because you PM’d @Loki a link to the scam report on Patched and cried about me responding to your own refund message, where you brought up "no refund policy" while failing to deliver a service. That’s not “sale trashing,” it’s called accountability.

2. "Fake account" on BF
Not mine. I created one account here to report this issue, and your paranoia doesn’t count as proof. You’ve posted random accounts and guessed they were mine because they didn’t praise you. That’s weak.

3. "Why didn’t you respond here in 48h?"
Because I already posted my BTC address on the other forum and here as well, and told you to just send the TXID. You didn’t need anything else from me. And no — I’m not obligated to help you get your thread closed while you throw dirt at me and pretend you did me a favor.

4. "Most of the "sale trashing (as you call it)" was after the refund"
And? It was a direct response to your nonsense in my own scam report. Again — you’re crying because someone dared to respond when you acted like you refunded out of kindness, not because your bot was dead for 7 days and you failed to deliver. I responded to your public messages, not out of spite, but to correct your narrative.

5. "We already settled this in PMs with Loki"
That might be your version of “settled.” Mine is: I was ignored, not delivered what I paid for, had to create multiple scam reports, and was refunded only when you got banned. And even then, you kept running your mouth publicly — so I responded publicly. Simple.

6. "Why didn’t you click Telegram/Discord links?"
Because I used your official live chat, the one you provide directly on the site for customer support — the same place I was told “no ETA”  for the bot. Don’t blame your bad support system on me. It’s not the customer’s job to dig through backup channels when the official one is silent.

7. "We’re a big team, I don’t have access to live chat"
Then why are you blaming me for not messaging you directly on forums? You admit there are multiple people involved, yet you're pinning all communication responsibility on the customer. That’s called dodging accountability.

8. "Why talk on PTO and not here?"
I was already getting ignored through your live chat, I was tired of chasing your support team in circles, so I did what worked: posted reports where your service is advertised. If you were communicating properly and didn’t make excuses about “managers” and “teams,” I wouldn’t need to post anywhere.

9. -20 Rep
You gave me a -20 rep just because I responded to the words you wrote yourself. You think a refund strips me of my right to reply? That’s not how it works.

You keep making this look like I’m running some vendetta — when all I ever did was ask for a refund, and then defend myself when you tried to spin the story.
Stop twisting the facts, stop pretending you were wronged, and maybe fix your service instead of pointing fingers at the people who held you accountable.

[OnlyHit]

@Loki Btw. he also gave me a -rep on Patched as well as revenge for simply responding in my own scam report. I contacted the admins there, had it removed, and was told that if he does it again, he’ll be banned from the forum.

@Loki OP is here only because his fake rep with alt account was removed but my neg stayed on his accounts! he removed my neg on pto and then negged me. but dont worry @batoryy I will get your neg removed there and I wont be banned!
@Loki you can remove my neg from him, remove his neg from me but you need to make this clear for @batoryy this cycle needs to end! he didnt receive what he ordered and he was refunded. he cant continue sale trash us now when everything is back to normal!
@Loki honestly this could have been a short report but @batoryy refusal of co-operation here and sale trashing after refunding on pto turned both reports into novels. OP deserves a permanent DWC for refusal of co-operation and wasting so much time after being refunded!

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@Loki — I’m here because I was ignored for 7 days after paying for something I never received, not because of some fantasy about "fake reps" or "alts" he's inventing to deflect responsibility.

I made one account, filed a report after being ignored, and responded only when he kept talking publicly after the refund — including throwing in “no refund policy” while admitting the product was never delivered. That’s not “sale trashing,” that’s correcting his version of the story and stating facts.

He’s trying to act like this all dragged on because of me — when the only reason it turned into “a novel” is because he kept posting misleading statements and blaming the customer. Had he simply refunded without trying to save face or shift blame, it would’ve ended there. He escalated it with passive-aggressive messages, blame games, and reputation abuse.

In his head, a refund means I have to say thank you, shut up, and vanish. That’s not how it works. I received a refund — yes. But I also received accusations, blame, insults, and lies. So I responded. With facts. Nothing more, nothing less.

This “cycle” ends when he stops treating accountability like an attack.

@Loki  This “cycle” ends when he stops treating accountability like an attack. OP confirming he is still doing it. even if he says its not sale trashing, its hurting our business!
@Loki I edited all of my threads as per your request. OP is refunded, even though he didnt come here to say "I was refunded" , he just came here so this thread wont be closed! 

[batoryy]

@Loki Just to clarify things once and for all:

The reason I didn’t respond in this thread earlier is simple — I was already handling the issue on Patched, where I made the original scam report. That’s also where I told him to just send the TXID here on BreachForums to get this thread resolved as I posted the same BTC address for refund here and on Patched. No need to have the same conversation over 2 forums.

There was no refusal to cooperate — I was actively responding on Patched, and I didn’t see the point in repeating myself on two forums. The conversation was already happening there.

He keeps saying I “spent hours replying on Patched” — yeah, because I was correcting the false narrative he kept pushing after the refund. I wasn’t doing it to drag anything out — I just wasn’t going to stay silent while someone publicly twists facts and blames me for using their own support system.

And to be clear — I’m not even a regular user here. I made this account only to post the scam report, and I didn’t care what was going on in this thread while I was trying to resolve it on Patched. If he hadn’t kept posting misleading stuff there, I wouldn’t have replied at all.

Now he’s acting like I’m causing drama, when all I did was respond to public claims he made after refunding — including the whole “no refund policy” spin and blaming me for not using forum DMs.

[OnlyHit]

@Loki Btw. he also gave me a -rep on Patched as well as revenge for simply responding in my own scam report. I contacted the admins there, had it removed, and was told that if he does it again, he’ll be banned from the forum.

@Loki OP is here only because his fake rep with alt account was removed but my neg stayed on his accounts! he removed my neg on pto and then negged me. but dont worry @batoryy I will get your neg removed there and I wont be banned!
@Loki you can remove my neg from him, remove his neg from me but you need to make this clear for @batoryy this cycle needs to end! he didnt receive what he ordered and he was refunded. he cant continue sale trash us now when everything is back to normal!
@Loki honestly this could have been a short report but @batoryy refusal of co-operation here and sale trashing after refunding on pto turned both reports into novels. OP deserves a permanent DWC for refusal of co-operation and wasting so much time after being refunded!

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@Loki — I’m here because I was ignored for 7 days after paying for something I never received, not because of some fantasy about "fake reps" or "alts" he's inventing to deflect responsibility.

I made one account, filed a report after being ignored, and responded only when he kept talking publicly after the refund — including throwing in “no refund policy” while admitting the product was never delivered. That’s not “sale trashing,” that’s correcting his version of the story and stating facts.

He’s trying to act like this all dragged on because of me — when the only reason it turned into “a novel” is because he kept posting misleading statements and blaming the customer. Had he simply refunded without trying to save face or shift blame, it would’ve ended there. He escalated it with passive-aggressive messages, blame games, and reputation abuse.

In his head, a refund means I have to say thank you, shut up, and vanish. That’s not how it works. I received a refund — yes. But I also received accusations, blame, insults, and lies. So I responded. With facts. Nothing more, nothing less.

This “cycle” ends when he stops treating accountability like an attack.

@Loki  This “cycle” ends when he stops treating accountability like an attack. OP confirming he is still doing it. even if he says its not sale trashing, its hurting our business!
@Loki I edited all of my threads as per your request. OP is refunded, even though he didnt come here to say "I was refunded" , he just came here so this thread wont be closed! 

@Loki OP removed a post from this report! I never seen this on any forums! posts in scam report section should be undeletable,  just a friendly suggestion for forum

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@Loki Just to clarify things once and for all:

The reason I didn’t respond in this thread earlier is simple — I was already handling the issue on Patched, where I made the original scam report. That’s also where I told him to just send the TXID here on BreachForums to get this thread resolved as I posted the same BTC address for refund here and on Patched. No need to have the same conversation over 2 forums.

There was no refusal to cooperate — I was actively responding on Patched, and I didn’t see the point in repeating myself on two forums. The conversation was already happening there.

He keeps saying I “spent hours replying on Patched” — yeah, because I was correcting the false narrative he kept pushing after the refund. I wasn’t doing it to drag anything out — I just wasn’t going to stay silent while someone publicly twists facts and blames me for using their own support system.

And to be clear — I’m not even a regular user here. I made this account only to post the scam report, and I didn’t care what was going on in this thread while I was trying to resolve it on Patched. If he hadn’t kept posting misleading stuff there, I wouldn’t have replied at all.

Now he’s acting like I’m causing drama, when all I did was respond to public claims he made after refunding — including the whole “no refund policy” spin and blaming me for not using forum DMs.

No need to have the same conversation over 2 forums.


There was no refusal to cooperate — I was actively responding on Patched, and I didn’t see the point in repeating myself on two forums. The conversation was already happening there.

@batoryy do you expect me forwarding every message to @Loki or @Loki himself to read it there?
when you open a scam report on me here, you need to reply back. just because you received your money you cant say goodbye!

[batoryy]

@OnlyHit I removed a post because I misunderstood what you meant earlier regarding why I hadn’t replied on this forum. Simple as that. And for the record — the post I removed was directed to the moderator, not to you.

I genuinely don’t understand why you’re still replying here. None of my recent messages are even directed at you, yet you keep jumping in like you need to have the last word every time. I’m stating facts about how the situation happened — meanwhile you’re still going on about how I’m somehow hurting your “business” and “sales trashing” you. It’s getting ridiculous.

"This “cycle” ends when he stops treating accountability like an attack. OP confirming he is still doing it. even if he says its not sale trashing, its hurting our business!"

You are proving that point perfectly. You keep acting like any response to your own words is an attack on your business. Maybe if you stopped obsessing over how this makes you look and started focusing on how it actually happened, this would’ve been done long ago.

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"do you expect me forwarding every message to @Loki or @Loki himself to read it there?
when you open a scam report on me here, you need to reply back. just because you received your money you cant say goodbye!"

No, I don’t expect you to forward everything to @Loki — but let’s not pretend you’re incapable of doing that when you’ve already sent him links to the Patched report yourself to complain about “sales trashing.” You’re only selective about what you forward when it benefits your narrative.

Also, let’s not forget: I sent you the scam report links directly through your site’s live chat, the same one I used when asking for a refund. I waited 2 days for you to respond. You read the messages and ignored them completely — only replying after you got banned. And even then, you told me to go message the admin myself to help get you unbanned. That’s how this actually went down.

So let me get this straight — It was totally fine when you ignored the scam report for 2 days, only replying once you got banned and needed me to contact mods to unban you. But when I don’t reply to a scam report on this forum — only because I’m already having the exact same conversation with you on another forum — suddenly I’m the bad guy and deserve a permanent DWC, as you put it?

If that’s your logic, maybe you should be the one with a permanent ban — since you couldn’t even respond to your own scam report within the time you were given.

[OnlyHit]

@OnlyHit I removed a post because I misunderstood what you meant earlier regarding why I hadn’t replied on this forum. Simple as that. And for the record — the post I removed was directed to the moderator, not to you.

I genuinely don’t understand why you’re still replying here. None of my recent messages are even directed at you, yet you keep jumping in like you need to have the last word every time. I’m stating facts about how the situation happened — meanwhile you’re still going on about how I’m somehow hurting your “business” and “sales trashing” you. It’s getting ridiculous.

"This “cycle” ends when he stops treating accountability like an attack. OP confirming he is still doing it. even if he says its not sale trashing, its hurting our business!"

You are proving that point perfectly. You keep acting like any response to your own words is an attack on your business. Maybe if you stopped obsessing over how this makes you look and started focusing on how it actually happened, this would’ve been done long ago.

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"do you expect me forwarding every message to @Loki or @Loki himself to read it there?
when you open a scam report on me here, you need to reply back. just because you received your money you cant say goodbye!"

No, I don’t expect you to forward everything to @Loki — but let’s not pretend you’re incapable of doing that when you’ve already sent him links to the Patched report yourself to complain about “sales trashing.” You’re only selective about what you forward when it benefits your narrative.

Also, let’s not forget: I sent you the scam report links directly through your site’s live chat, the same one I used when asking for a refund. I waited 2 days for you to respond. You read the messages and ignored them completely — only replying after you got banned. And even then, you told me to go message the admin myself to help get you unbanned. That’s how this actually went down.

@batoryy if you got a problem with  No, I don’t expect you to forward everything to @Loki — but let’s not pretend you’re incapable of doing that when you’ve already sent him links to the Patched report yourself to complain about “sales trashing.” You’re only selective about what you forward when it benefits your narrative. you need to solve this with @Loki . I sent him everything but @Loki said "URGE OP TO RESPOND HERE". this is @Loki rule not mine, and honestly its your duty to respond not mine or @Loki to run after you
idk how to tell you I'm not any of the 2 people doing support on our site, you clearly chosen to ignore me saying Im not a support staff   you
@Loki to sum this up : I editted all my threads (cant edit pastes now) as per you request, for my future posts it will be based on the guideline you provided. OP was refunded 48 hours ago.
@Loki to stop his sale trashing you can remove my neg from him, remove his neg from me but you need to make this clear for @batoryy this cycle needs to end! he didnt receive what he ordered and he was refunded. he cant continue sale trash on every forums (3 forums now)
@Loki I wont comment on this post anymore, if there is still a problem please tag me