Secure Telegram?
by Ag0stin0 - Wednesday December 11, 2024 at 11:02 PM
#1
We can agree that Telegram is no longer a messaging app offering effective anonymity. Unlike Signal, conversations on Telegram are not automatically end-to-end encrypted. This means Telegram's servers can potentially access standard chats. Telegram also collects metadata, such as phone numbers and login logs. This information could compromise anonymity if it falls into the wrong hands. What do you think?
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(12-11-2024, 11:02 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote: We can agree that Telegram is no longer a messaging app offering effective anonymity. Unlike Signal, conversations on Telegram are not automatically end-to-end encrypted. This means Telegram's servers can potentially access standard chats. Telegram also collects metadata, such as phone numbers and login logs. This information could compromise anonymity if it falls into the wrong hands. What do you think?

the only way to stay safe is buying a phone without sim and usign free wifi's zone only for work, after take this phone, and put it off
others, noone is safe in this world
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(12-11-2024, 11:11 PM)slacky Wrote:
(12-11-2024, 11:02 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote: We can agree that Telegram is no longer a messaging app offering effective anonymity. Unlike Signal, conversations on Telegram are not automatically end-to-end encrypted. This means Telegram's servers can potentially access standard chats. Telegram also collects metadata, such as phone numbers and login logs. This information could compromise anonymity if it falls into the wrong hands. What do you think?

the only way to stay safe is buying a phone without sim and usign free wifi's zone only for work, after take this phone, and put it off
others, noone is safe in this world

Yes, that's what I do. But in my country, it’s becoming very complicated. It’s almost impossible to buy a SIM card without a local connection. Even WiFi connections require an OTP sent to a mobile number.
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#4
(12-11-2024, 11:02 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote: We can agree that Telegram is no longer a messaging app offering effective anonymity

They literally never were
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(12-12-2024, 05:35 AM)endless Wrote:
(12-11-2024, 11:02 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote: We can agree that Telegram is no longer a messaging app offering effective anonymity

They literally never were

Aren't logs stored in the Arab states or sth?
"Universal appeal is poison masquerading as medicine. Horror is not meant to be universal. It's meant to be personal, private, animal"
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(12-12-2024, 05:35 AM)endless Wrote:
(12-11-2024, 11:02 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote: We can agree that Telegram is no longer a messaging app offering effective anonymity

They literally never were

Yes, by the way, it's interesting to read their FAQ. Even the encryption isn't automatic; you have to enable it.

(12-12-2024, 10:57 AM)DredgenSun Wrote:
(12-12-2024, 05:35 AM)endless Wrote:
(12-11-2024, 11:02 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote: We can agree that Telegram is no longer a messaging app offering effective anonymity

They literally never were

Aren't logs stored in the Arab states or sth?

Telegram claims not to store the content of private messages on its servers after they have been delivered. However, it retains connection metadata (such as IP address, connection time, and duration) for a limited time, typically 12 months, for security and abuse prevention purposes.For secret chats (end-to-end encrypted), Telegram guarantees that no content is stored on its servers. However, for regular chats (non-secret), messages are stored on Telegram's servers in an encrypted format. This means there is a certain level of logging, but the exact policies regarding data retention may vary depending on local laws and specific cases.
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(12-12-2024, 02:56 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote:
(12-12-2024, 05:35 AM)endless Wrote:
(12-11-2024, 11:02 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote: We can agree that Telegram is no longer a messaging app offering effective anonymity

They literally never were

Yes, by the way, it's interesting to read their FAQ. Even the encryption isn't automatic; you have to enable it.

(12-12-2024, 10:57 AM)DredgenSun Wrote:
(12-12-2024, 05:35 AM)endless Wrote:
(12-11-2024, 11:02 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote: We can agree that Telegram is no longer a messaging app offering effective anonymity

They literally never were

Aren't logs stored in the Arab states or sth?

Telegram claims not to store the content of private messages on its servers after they have been delivered. However, it retains connection metadata (such as IP address, connection time, and duration) for a limited time, typically 12 months, for security and abuse prevention purposes.For secret chats (end-to-end encrypted), Telegram guarantees that no content is stored on its servers. However, for regular chats (non-secret), messages are stored on Telegram's servers in an encrypted format. This means there is a certain level of logging, but the exact policies regarding data retention may vary depending on local laws and specific cases.

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up man Smile
"Universal appeal is poison masquerading as medicine. Horror is not meant to be universal. It's meant to be personal, private, animal"
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#8
It's at the point now, where I think the only way to be really secure is not to send the message in the first place. Can't really trust anything.
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#9
I think its time for a new platform to come out thats secure
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#10
(12-11-2024, 11:26 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote:
(12-11-2024, 11:11 PM)slacky Wrote:
(12-11-2024, 11:02 PM)Ag0stin0 Wrote: We can agree that Telegram is no longer a messaging app offering effective anonymity. Unlike Signal, conversations on Telegram are not automatically end-to-end encrypted. This means Telegram's servers can potentially access standard chats. Telegram also collects metadata, such as phone numbers and login logs. This information could compromise anonymity if it falls into the wrong hands. What do you think?

the only way to stay safe is buying a phone without sim and usign free wifi's zone only for work, after take this phone, and put it off
others, noone is safe in this world

Yes, that's what I do. But in my country, it’s becoming very complicated. It’s almost impossible to buy a SIM card without a local connection. Even WiFi connections require an OTP sent to a mobile number.


your country is Italy?
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